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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Jun 4, 2011 9:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: were the new riders the hot tuna of the dead

This also always bothered me as where do these 2 side bands belong. Obviouly now and since the late 70s both bands split from their respective mother bands as it were to forge ahead. I remember more about Tuna opening playing till your ears bled then joined the Airplane for a whole show. I know Jorma and Jack were true blues dudes and the commercial success that the Airplane was affording them was costing more in court than playing. Then you have Grace's drunken period which would make anyband member quit especially if there was a gig already lined up.As for the New Riders I'm not that informed on there roots execpt again it was an off shoot of the Dead and was just enough diversion to keep all hands happy until it to developed into it's own band.Forgive me but I don't know if this is thinking out loud,or just pondering away.

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Poster: Pig Street ! Date: Jun 4, 2011 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: were the new riders the hot tuna of the dead

I believe you were doing both pondering and thinking out loud, one goes with the other.NRPS were their own even as Jer, Mickey and Phil helped out with their first album. Tuna was an off shoot of Airplane. I never really got into JA, but TUNA MELTS!Great jamming.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 4, 2011 4:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: were the new riders the hot tuna of the dead

the only similarities I see is both bands being outlets for the most musically driven and passionate musicians in those bands to have increased avenues to dig and play with other musicians. Jerry as we all know loved to jam with practically anyone. One reason he was truly a musicians musician. He was totally content being a sideman in fact in alot of ways preferred it although he was so freaking gifted and charasnatic he was still always an unintentional front man. I see Casady the exact way more than Jorma. Jorma being the premeire finger picker and practical musical historian ( in that way similar to Jer ) always wanted that avenue that the Airplane didnt allow but Jack was like Jerry in that he seemed totally up to be involved with playing with anyone. Plus he was pretty much THE most respected and unique bassist around at that time. EVERYONE wanted to play with him alot like Jerry. In fact he was pretty much the main reason the Airplane was able to steal Grace from the great society

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jun 4, 2011 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: were the new riders the hot tuna of the dead

Re: pondering away

How about an old fishing story?

David Lemieux recently described how you could really hear GD's country influence in 1972 and E-72. NRPS were the Cowboy Leaders of the GD Family. This was just discussed.

I converted to Cowboy in 1973. My neighborhood produced some very good musicians. Al Di Meola is one of them. We had numerous musicians and bands from my area that were very good. Among them, we had a clone GD band, a clone Hot Tuna band - with much better violin playing than Papa John Creach (screach), and a John Cipollina clone. I hung out with all of them, except for Di Meola, whom I did not know.

Van Manakas was John Cipollina. John Zias was Jerry Garcia. Eric Levine was a much, much better violin player than Papa John Creach. Eric and Van also played in the Stoney Creek bluegrass band.

At one point, we had Manakas doing Cipollina, and Zias doing Garcia, playing together in the same band - VERY remarkable!. That band was named Hell's Half Acre, after this very bizarre spot nearby Casper, Wyoming. Van was the biggest Cowboy in our bunch at this time, and he had this "thing" for Wyoming, big time! I was at every gig that Hell's Half Acre ever played. The Starship Troopers sci-fi movie that was released in 1997 was filmed in Hell's Half Acre in 1996.

Hell's Half Acre in Wyoming
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Wayne Lopes played as Jorma Kaukonen in our Hot Tuna clone band. He was very good at it. His lead vocals, finger-picking electric guitar, and his mannerisms were very impressive. Wayne is in NYC.

Brett Richardson played like Phil Lesh and Jack Cassidy. Brett had Alembic speaker cabinets with JBLs, a Macintosh amplifier, and he knew everything about Phil and Jack's sound equipment and their expensive Alembic bass guitars. Brett had very long blonde hair. He played a nice looking blonde Guild bass guitar. Sounded great. The first time I heard anything about Alembic, I heard about it from Brett Richardson. Brett was with me when I taped June 10, 1973. Jay Delia was with me when I taped June 9. Brett and I drove to RFK Stadium (Allmans and Dead) from his place. Jay Delia went there with several carloads of my GD friends. Those cars stopped by Brett's place first, but we just missed them. (Brett lived at his grandmother's house.) Then Brett and I showed up at his grandmother's place, ready to hit the road, about 15 minutes later. His grandmother was saying - about the carloads of Dead-heads, "There was a whole 'contingent' of them!"

Needless to say, I taped many shows and incarnations of all these Bergenfield-area bands, artists, and musicians. I learned an awful lot about sound equipment during this period, and I started getting into electronics. Brett Richardson is a also very good fresh water fisherman. We fished together a few times at Oradell Reservoir.

Brett Richardson
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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Jun 4, 2011 3:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: were the new riders the hot tuna of the dead

Monty you might find this very hard to believe ,but I to knew musicians that could play any Dead song, cover and all their original stuff. The bass player who I don't know if I should name him or not had a 6 string Alembic stereo w/ a Mac amp and an echo plex and pedals galore.Also in this band was a lead guitarist who leaned to space country side a drummer who collected gongs from all over the world,and the keyboard player who had a great imagination w/ the new fangled odessy moog and piano organ combo. I bring all this up because after they broke up the bass player played for HUNTER in I think they were called comfort.While coming into that circle he moved to Marin and played w/ non other than the real John Cippolina.Now if your memory serves you well you will remember the great weekend in GG Park in Sept 75.I think on Saturday the band I worked for called Jumping Jupiter was bumped for another group and Tuna headlined. On Sunday I think the R Devils opened followed by the Starship and ended w/ the Dead closing a great weekend as the fog was rolling in.We have to know each other there is way to much coincidence here.